tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5438889006230803241.post8768849555140292658..comments2023-10-31T20:08:45.037+10:00Comments on Operation 513 - Apologetics Blog: Did Constantine Give Us the Bible?Ryan Hemelaarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17902805101742992509noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5438889006230803241.post-56863020709221998132009-06-17T08:15:23.014+10:002009-06-17T08:15:23.014+10:00Interesting post, but you completely missed the po...Interesting post, but you completely missed the point. You start out by quoting Brown's novel, "The Bible, as we know it today, was collated by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine the Great." Then, you move on to tackle the idea and conclude that "this easily dismisses the claims of those who state that Constantine gave us the Holy Bible."<br /><br />Right... it does prove that Constantine didn't give us the Bible - but that wasn't the premise. The original statement was that the Bible "was collated by" Constantine. There's a huge difference between collection and creation!<br /><br />The idea that Constantine issued the collection of books in the Bible should rightly lead people "to believe that before Emperor Constantine we didn't have a copy of the Bible." Before Constantine, we DIDN'T have a copy of the Bible!<br /><br />Prior to that, multiple copies of different texts existed. These included the currently accepted books as well as a few that didn't make the cut. Books were written at different times, including a few that were written after the sanctioned texts were collected (thus they would not be eligible as canon).<br /><br />However, of the books that existed, only specific ones were selected based on human decision. Works that certain communities had considered valid scripture were labeled heresy by the authorities. If you're still of the opinion that the Bible existed before Constantine, I'd like to see your proof of a collection of the Bible as-is before his conversion.<br /><br />And while you believe that "God [...] in His Sovereign protection has preserved His word," He still managed to NOT preserve the originals and only later copies post-150 CE. Oh, and you forgot to mention that scholars also use radiocarbon dating on papyrus, although you probably avoided that since it might undermine your creationist stance.<br /><br />Also, it's my favorite factoid that Constantine was baptized by a Unitarian!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11693098569357570196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5438889006230803241.post-68130998176044820112008-07-03T17:35:00.000+10:002008-07-03T17:35:00.000+10:00The dating of the early papyri is done by examinin...The dating of the early papyri is done by examining the style of writing, the spelling of words, and how the Greek letters look.Josh Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12355559496837934615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5438889006230803241.post-56463417709096212862008-07-03T17:13:00.000+10:002008-07-03T17:13:00.000+10:00Fair enough - nice bit of historical work. Dan Bro...Fair enough - nice bit of historical work. <BR/><BR/>Dan Brown is a dopey bugger anyways, he almost deserved the copyright infringement proceedings in the High Court in England for copying the theme of Holy Blood Holy Grail. Silly, silly. <BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, from what I can see, the earliest actual text is from about 125 AD? How was it dated? I just want to know for my own information.CASE - now with holinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08525074735510880518noreply@blogger.com